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		<title>By: Pitching and Blackspotting &#171; www.neilcocker.com</title>
		<link>http://neilcocker.com/2009/10/05/futureofnocci/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pitching and Blackspotting &#171; www.neilcocker.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 14:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] I did a Dragon&#8217;s Den style pitch yesterday in front of a room full of potential investors.  As I wrote recently, I&#8217;m looking for investment in Nocci, and I got a few good leads. I&#8217;ll keep you up to [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] I did a Dragon&#8217;s Den style pitch yesterday in front of a room full of potential investors.  As I wrote recently, I&#8217;m looking for investment in Nocci, and I got a few good leads. I&#8217;ll keep you up to [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Cocker</title>
		<link>http://neilcocker.com/2009/10/05/futureofnocci/#comment-185</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Cocker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Oct 2009 08:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kieran - we should chat. Sounds like there&#039;s plenty of shared experiences we can learn from.

Chris - It&#039;s all about that self-discipline, isn&#039;t it? Now where do I get that from? :-)

Steve - yeah, i couldn&#039;t agree more. Each group/area/territory needs to be completely autonomous. I just want to make it easier for people to set up their groups....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kieran &#8211; we should chat. Sounds like there&#8217;s plenty of shared experiences we can learn from.</p>
<p>Chris &#8211; It&#8217;s all about that self-discipline, isn&#8217;t it? Now where do I get that from? <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Steve &#8211; yeah, i couldn&#8217;t agree more. Each group/area/territory needs to be completely autonomous. I just want to make it easier for people to set up their groups&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Robson</title>
		<link>http://neilcocker.com/2009/10/05/futureofnocci/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Steve Robson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Oct 2009 09:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yeah thanks Neil, you&#039;ve just successfully distracted me from achieving my potential for this morning!

I think the nature of Nocci means that it would be difficult for one person or organisation to make a significant income other than from associated, branded goods and services.  Its too organic and the nature of organic networks is that they are self serving.

There&#039;s no doubt that you as the instigator have benefited directly from the increased profile and reputation which has happened as a result.  I don&#039;t think it would be possible to own that success in other regions or countries.

Let Nocci run free and see where it leads.  Each &quot;Chapter&quot; will have its own champion and focus.  If you try to dictate how this is run you will alienate the people its there to support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah thanks Neil, you&#8217;ve just successfully distracted me from achieving my potential for this morning!</p>
<p>I think the nature of Nocci means that it would be difficult for one person or organisation to make a significant income other than from associated, branded goods and services.  Its too organic and the nature of organic networks is that they are self serving.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no doubt that you as the instigator have benefited directly from the increased profile and reputation which has happened as a result.  I don&#8217;t think it would be possible to own that success in other regions or countries.</p>
<p>Let Nocci run free and see where it leads.  Each &#8220;Chapter&#8221; will have its own champion and focus.  If you try to dictate how this is run you will alienate the people its there to support.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://neilcocker.com/2009/10/05/futureofnocci/#comment-183</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 23:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Neil,

I know what you mean about getting distracted by information - middle-click learning is a huge time waster on my behalf. 
 
I&#039;m a big fan of blackspotting (see, it is catching already!) whenever I need to get a decent amount of writing done. Also, as a guy that does a lot of programming and development, I also disconnect myself from the internet and even the laptop if possible whenever I need to draw up the structure or design of my programs/sites/whatever.

I&#039;ve always got a number of projects running at any given time so something I&#039;ve had to start being really strict on myself with is putting aside blocks of time to spend on various tasks. I make an assessment on how important different projects are and I assign certain number of hours a week accordingly. The most important part is that I keep a tally of how much I&#039;ve been spending on each of the projects.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Neil,</p>
<p>I know what you mean about getting distracted by information &#8211; middle-click learning is a huge time waster on my behalf. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m a big fan of blackspotting (see, it is catching already!) whenever I need to get a decent amount of writing done. Also, as a guy that does a lot of programming and development, I also disconnect myself from the internet and even the laptop if possible whenever I need to draw up the structure or design of my programs/sites/whatever.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always got a number of projects running at any given time so something I&#8217;ve had to start being really strict on myself with is putting aside blocks of time to spend on various tasks. I make an assessment on how important different projects are and I assign certain number of hours a week accordingly. The most important part is that I keep a tally of how much I&#8217;ve been spending on each of the projects.</p>
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		<title>By: Kieran Masterton</title>
		<link>http://neilcocker.com/2009/10/05/futureofnocci/#comment-182</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kieran Masterton]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 22:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Crowdfunding is the way that @arincrumley and I have gone with OpenIndie. We&#039;re in something of a similar situation in that we can see potential revenue streams in the future but at the moment are focussing on getting the thing built and our goal of getting a revenue stream for filmmakers which is, in part, the point of our site. However, we are currently 5 or 6 days into a 29 day campaign to raise $10,000 to fund 6 months of fulltime development. Our reason for this was twofold:

1. If this is something that filmmakers and film fans want / need they will give money to make it a reality. The web 2.0 approach of everything for free isn&#039;t sustainable anymore imho.

2. Arin already has an audience and has been successful on Kickstarter in the past.

So, my only advice would be right now is a) do you think you have that audience already? And b) what are the users&#039; rewards for donating. The rewards are key with OpenIndie if a user donates $100+ they get to be one of the first 100 films on the site plus get an hour of Arin&#039;s time consulting on the film and self distribution. Oh, and the film community gets a place to self diatribute their flicks!! 

Shameless plug ;)
Go to http://openindie.com and click on the Kickstarter logo to learn more and donate!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Crowdfunding is the way that @arincrumley and I have gone with OpenIndie. We&#8217;re in something of a similar situation in that we can see potential revenue streams in the future but at the moment are focussing on getting the thing built and our goal of getting a revenue stream for filmmakers which is, in part, the point of our site. However, we are currently 5 or 6 days into a 29 day campaign to raise $10,000 to fund 6 months of fulltime development. Our reason for this was twofold:</p>
<p>1. If this is something that filmmakers and film fans want / need they will give money to make it a reality. The web 2.0 approach of everything for free isn&#8217;t sustainable anymore imho.</p>
<p>2. Arin already has an audience and has been successful on Kickstarter in the past.</p>
<p>So, my only advice would be right now is a) do you think you have that audience already? And b) what are the users&#8217; rewards for donating. The rewards are key with OpenIndie if a user donates $100+ they get to be one of the first 100 films on the site plus get an hour of Arin&#8217;s time consulting on the film and self distribution. Oh, and the film community gets a place to self diatribute their flicks!! </p>
<p>Shameless plug <img src='http://s1.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Go to <a href="http://openindie.com" rel="nofollow">http://openindie.com</a> and click on the Kickstarter logo to learn more and donate!</p>
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		<title>By: Esko Reinikainen</title>
		<link>http://neilcocker.com/2009/10/05/futureofnocci/#comment-179</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Esko Reinikainen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 19:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Carl always says it better...

My version:

License the kernel, open source the admin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carl always says it better&#8230;</p>
<p>My version:</p>
<p>License the kernel, open source the admin.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Morris</title>
		<link>http://neilcocker.com/2009/10/05/futureofnocci/#comment-178</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl Morris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cool. I wasn&#039;t entirely sure about the structure. So maybe you could make the terms clearer? In other words, you could actively encourage people to pick up the idea and do it.

Look deep into the BarCamp, the worldwide community do a lot of the organisation on the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barcamp.org&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wiki&lt;/a&gt;.

Other than that the &quot;web space&quot; you require can be the entire web itself, distributed over people&#039;s own blogs and social network platforms of choice. 

If the idea has a presence across the web, it&#039;s a sign of success.

Hope this helps somehow.

The aim is to be like an international criminal organisation that has independent cells. Except nicer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool. I wasn&#8217;t entirely sure about the structure. So maybe you could make the terms clearer? In other words, you could actively encourage people to pick up the idea and do it.</p>
<p>Look deep into the BarCamp, the worldwide community do a lot of the organisation on the <a href="http://www.barcamp.org" rel="nofollow">wiki</a>.</p>
<p>Other than that the &#8220;web space&#8221; you require can be the entire web itself, distributed over people&#8217;s own blogs and social network platforms of choice. </p>
<p>If the idea has a presence across the web, it&#8217;s a sign of success.</p>
<p>Hope this helps somehow.</p>
<p>The aim is to be like an international criminal organisation that has independent cells. Except nicer.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Cocker</title>
		<link>http://neilcocker.com/2009/10/05/futureofnocci/#comment-177</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Neil Cocker]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 17:19:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Sam - thanks for the thoughts.

Mark - Yeah (baby)!

Carl - that&#039;s pretty much exactly the structure of Nocci at the moment. We don&#039;t enforce any structure or format on anyone who wants to run one. It can be whatever they want it to be. And yes, they get kudos for being the local &quot;leader&quot;. The difficulty comes from the fact that I want to provide a free web space for everyone to come together and communicate internationally, on top of the local groups they can hopefully attend. But this all takes time and administration. Not to mention the cost of a site that allows event creation, provides galleries, forums etc. 

Not sure anyone would want my &quot;sage&quot; advice though! :-)

p.s. Lloyd Davis and I have talked about some kind of Nocci/Tuttle crossover. There&#039;s lots of potential there...

Thanks again for the thoughts and links!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Sam &#8211; thanks for the thoughts.</p>
<p>Mark &#8211; Yeah (baby)!</p>
<p>Carl &#8211; that&#8217;s pretty much exactly the structure of Nocci at the moment. We don&#8217;t enforce any structure or format on anyone who wants to run one. It can be whatever they want it to be. And yes, they get kudos for being the local &#8220;leader&#8221;. The difficulty comes from the fact that I want to provide a free web space for everyone to come together and communicate internationally, on top of the local groups they can hopefully attend. But this all takes time and administration. Not to mention the cost of a site that allows event creation, provides galleries, forums etc. </p>
<p>Not sure anyone would want my &#8220;sage&#8221; advice though! <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>p.s. Lloyd Davis and I have talked about some kind of Nocci/Tuttle crossover. There&#8217;s lots of potential there&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks again for the thoughts and links!</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Morris</title>
		<link>http://neilcocker.com/2009/10/05/futureofnocci/#comment-176</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Carl Morris]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:35:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is no right answer. It depends. But I think you should look at opening it up.

One &quot;organisational&quot; model to look at is that of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.tecnodatum.com/chris-messina-and-the-origins-of-the-barcamp/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;BarCamp&lt;/a&gt;. 

It&#039;s more of a movement than anything. You just let other people run with the idea independently. They can adapt it to their local needs. Nobody owns it and everyone owns it - which can be a factor in the success of such things.

Maybe you could put together a Nocci starter pack &quot;how to kickstart the creative industry in your area&quot; and release it all under Creative Commons. It&#039;s all about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/06/scenius_or_comm.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;scenius&lt;/a&gt; (baby).

(This is all similar to the ethos we picked up with &lt;a href=&quot;http://trydan.wetpaint.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Trydan&lt;/a&gt;, which was inspired by social media cafe events like &lt;a href=&quot;http://tuttleclub.wordpress.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Tuttle&lt;/a&gt; in London.)

Some kudos goes to the people who champion and promote an event in their region, which is important. And most of the kudos comes back to you anyway because you are the source of it! 

Occasionally you can emerge to dispense wisdom and nod your head sagely at your young admirers and their naive ways.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no right answer. It depends. But I think you should look at opening it up.</p>
<p>One &#8220;organisational&#8221; model to look at is that of <a href="http://en.tecnodatum.com/chris-messina-and-the-origins-of-the-barcamp/" rel="nofollow">BarCamp</a>. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s more of a movement than anything. You just let other people run with the idea independently. They can adapt it to their local needs. Nobody owns it and everyone owns it &#8211; which can be a factor in the success of such things.</p>
<p>Maybe you could put together a Nocci starter pack &#8220;how to kickstart the creative industry in your area&#8221; and release it all under Creative Commons. It&#8217;s all about <a href="http://www.kk.org/thetechnium/archives/2008/06/scenius_or_comm.php" rel="nofollow">scenius</a> (baby).</p>
<p>(This is all similar to the ethos we picked up with <a href="http://trydan.wetpaint.com" rel="nofollow">Trydan</a>, which was inspired by social media cafe events like <a href="http://tuttleclub.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">Tuttle</a> in London.)</p>
<p>Some kudos goes to the people who champion and promote an event in their region, which is important. And most of the kudos comes back to you anyway because you are the source of it! </p>
<p>Occasionally you can emerge to dispense wisdom and nod your head sagely at your young admirers and their naive ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://neilcocker.com/2009/10/05/futureofnocci/#comment-174</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mark]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 16:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey, I agree with the disconnecting thing. I tend to be online during the morning, and &#039;switch off&#039; in the afternoon. There&#039;s plenty of design work I can do without the need for the net, also using Google Reader in offline mode is great. Not to mention, writing blog posts... the first draft never requires wifi - its all creativity baby!

(jeez - just said &#039;baby!&#039; in  a comment) 

mark]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, I agree with the disconnecting thing. I tend to be online during the morning, and &#8216;switch off&#8217; in the afternoon. There&#8217;s plenty of design work I can do without the need for the net, also using Google Reader in offline mode is great. Not to mention, writing blog posts&#8230; the first draft never requires wifi &#8211; its all creativity baby!</p>
<p>(jeez &#8211; just said &#8216;baby!&#8217; in  a comment) </p>
<p>mark</p>
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